StormCentre
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With your use of the word “attackable” it sounds like you should join the #meetoo movement and validate your eternal victimhood.
You're like a #meetoo girl that cries “I feel offended” at every instance that someone begins to scrutinize her (your) claims.
Anyway, now I have a little list related sentence/phrase for you . . .
It goes like this . . .
“A pound for pound list (and/or any other claim) that can't be defended with facts and/or is overly reliant upon subjectivity and feelings, is akin to guesswork”.
Boxingscene (was it Cliff Rold?) used to put forth a good analytical pound for pound list.
Along with the list was a criteria and justification analysis that relied on facts and achievements.
Not so with your placement of Loma and Usyk.
To make matters worse, your positioning of Triple and Canelo (whilst not as egregious as that of Loma ahead of Usyk) seems odd, too.
It is strange that the placement of Canelo over Triple seems to be justified by Alvaraez’s recent 2 controversial wins (if not then upon what basis is Canelo placed ahead of Golovkin?); which suggests that objective achievements/performances counts there, to such an extent that Canelo’s position on the pound for pound list is above Triple’s despite the fact that Canelo’s actual unified title and other records reads as far inferior to Gennady Golovkin’s.
Unified titles are one of the primary mainstays and criteria of any reliable pound for pound list; and in that context not many current fighters have the same ledger as Gennady Golovkin.
So, whilst Canelo over Triple suggests that objective achievements/performances do count within your pound for pound list; on the other hand such an (objective) approach/criteria seems - particularly based on your previous posts related to Loma and Usyk - not to apply to Loma and Usyk.
As Loma's position over Usyk on the pound for pound list, according to even yourself, seems heavily reliant upon subjectivity and/or Loma’s supposedly superior opponent selections that themselves (even aside from how advantageously Loma set up the fights with Rigo and Walters) still fall short of scaling Usyk’s supreme unification status; that is 300% greater than Loma’s.
Not in the least as Loma and Usyk’s ratings positions within the list (as they apply to each other) are - as shown by your very own posts/definitions and also the evasion of any factual discussion related to world titles each guy currently holds - based more on subjectivity.
Inconsistencies like this steal from your work Ted as much as they highlight how - as you have confessed - it aligns with that printed at other sites.
If it were me - rather than failing to thoroughly analyse my pound for pound list and placing myself in a position where I was endlessly defensive and unable to explain my choices as you seem to be, and if I could not adequately defend myself from the critique of someone else’s judgment that clashed with mine . . .
I would simply accept their judgment based on their criteria.
As hard as the concept is, you might want to give it a try.
Using that approach is in fact how I accept your list; as (only) based on its highly subjective criteria that exhibits inconsistencies such as that above-mentioned and shown by Canelo and Triple’s positions, does it make sense.
One good reason in relation to this matter you might want to accept the judgment of others (that conflicts with yours) based on their criteria, is you have already been wrong about Usyk many times before.
Anyway, my weightlifting, Lol captioned tractor tyre hugging, plagiarizing, guesswork riddled, PhD friend . . .
Please give it some thought; as we all know the traits of someone that reacts and is endlessly defensive are usually found associated with those that hurriedly cobble things together, borrow from others and/or employ guesswork.
As such; as I said above . . .
Aside from the error related to Usyk and Loma; your list is not bad.
Therefore;
.
Happy to hear how - based on the above-mentioned point “B” and/or criteria within my post #17 - I have it wrong.
Cheers,
StormCentre.
You're like a #meetoo girl that cries “I feel offended” at every instance that someone begins to scrutinize her (your) claims.
Anyway, now I have a little list related sentence/phrase for you . . .
It goes like this . . .
“A pound for pound list (and/or any other claim) that can't be defended with facts and/or is overly reliant upon subjectivity and feelings, is akin to guesswork”.
Boxingscene (was it Cliff Rold?) used to put forth a good analytical pound for pound list.
Along with the list was a criteria and justification analysis that relied on facts and achievements.
Not so with your placement of Loma and Usyk.
To make matters worse, your positioning of Triple and Canelo (whilst not as egregious as that of Loma ahead of Usyk) seems odd, too.
It is strange that the placement of Canelo over Triple seems to be justified by Alvaraez’s recent 2 controversial wins (if not then upon what basis is Canelo placed ahead of Golovkin?); which suggests that objective achievements/performances counts there, to such an extent that Canelo’s position on the pound for pound list is above Triple’s despite the fact that Canelo’s actual unified title and other records reads as far inferior to Gennady Golovkin’s.
Unified titles are one of the primary mainstays and criteria of any reliable pound for pound list; and in that context not many current fighters have the same ledger as Gennady Golovkin.
So, whilst Canelo over Triple suggests that objective achievements/performances do count within your pound for pound list; on the other hand such an (objective) approach/criteria seems - particularly based on your previous posts related to Loma and Usyk - not to apply to Loma and Usyk.
As Loma's position over Usyk on the pound for pound list, according to even yourself, seems heavily reliant upon subjectivity and/or Loma’s supposedly superior opponent selections that themselves (even aside from how advantageously Loma set up the fights with Rigo and Walters) still fall short of scaling Usyk’s supreme unification status; that is 300% greater than Loma’s.
Not in the least as Loma and Usyk’s ratings positions within the list (as they apply to each other) are - as shown by your very own posts/definitions and also the evasion of any factual discussion related to world titles each guy currently holds - based more on subjectivity.
Inconsistencies like this steal from your work Ted as much as they highlight how - as you have confessed - it aligns with that printed at other sites.
If it were me - rather than failing to thoroughly analyse my pound for pound list and placing myself in a position where I was endlessly defensive and unable to explain my choices as you seem to be, and if I could not adequately defend myself from the critique of someone else’s judgment that clashed with mine . . .
I would simply accept their judgment based on their criteria.
As hard as the concept is, you might want to give it a try.
Using that approach is in fact how I accept your list; as (only) based on its highly subjective criteria that exhibits inconsistencies such as that above-mentioned and shown by Canelo and Triple’s positions, does it make sense.
One good reason in relation to this matter you might want to accept the judgment of others (that conflicts with yours) based on their criteria, is you have already been wrong about Usyk many times before.
Anyway, my weightlifting, Lol captioned tractor tyre hugging, plagiarizing, guesswork riddled, PhD friend . . .
Please give it some thought; as we all know the traits of someone that reacts and is endlessly defensive are usually found associated with those that hurriedly cobble things together, borrow from others and/or employ guesswork.
As such; as I said above . . .
Aside from the error related to Usyk and Loma; your list is not bad.
Therefore;
.
A) Based on your lists highly subjective criteria that exhibits inconsistencies such as that above-mentioned; I accept/understand it on that basis.
B) Based on the above-mentioned criteria and that within my post #17; Usyk is pound for pound ahead of Loma.
B) Based on the above-mentioned criteria and that within my post #17; Usyk is pound for pound ahead of Loma.
Happy to hear how - based on the above-mentioned point “B” and/or criteria within my post #17 - I have it wrong.
Cheers,
StormCentre.
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